Professor, you said a lot of wonderful things about China. And surely, they're doing a lot of things right. But how do you reconcile the fact that to make it work for China, it seems to be based on a high level of repression, environmental destruction, a certain ideological stubbornness. How do you, how do you reconcile that? And why do you think that's, I mean, do you think that's tolerable?

Thank you. I'm really glad you ask that question. Because your question captured very well the Anglo-Saxon media's perception of China. And I would suggest you very bluntly, there is a distorted perspective of reality. Let's take the first word you use, repression. If China only relied on repression to stay in power, it would not create the most dynamic economy in the world, right? It is by far the most dynamic economy in the world. It has delivered the fastest growing economy for 30 years. And it has done this by educating the Chinese people to a level and extent that the Chinese people have never been educated ever before. And you say it's repression. You obviously are taking the old Cold War mindset. 139 million Chinese left China freely. 139 million Chinese, right? That's twice the population of the UK went back to China. So all your description, when you say environmental degradation, China's climate change policies are far more responsible than those of the United States, which has not once but twice withdrawn from global environmental protocols. And you know what? The reason why we are having climate change today is not because of new flows of greenhouse gas emissions from China and India. It's because of what the Western countries have put in the atmosphere since the Western Industrial Revolution. Get the data. The single largest contributor accumulatively, right? Is number one, United States, number two, Europe, number three, China. Right? And the West wants China to pay an economic price for the current flows. But the West doesn't want to pay an economic price for what it put in the atmosphere. If the United States could impose $1 a gallon tax, that will save the world. Cut down gasoline consumption, raise money for investment in green technology. Simple solutions. And by contrast, the largest reforestation program in the world is carried out by China. It has already reforested an area the size of Belgium or bigger, right? So all your descriptions capture the natural distortions of China that you get in the Anglo-Saxon media, which violate the rules of Enlightenment which say that you must be rational, calm, and objective, especially in understanding your adversary. And if the Chinese were as stupid and as incompetent as you describe them to be, don't worry about them. But I can assure you, you are now dealing with a far more intelligent and rational actor that doesn't fit any of the Anglo-Saxon categories that you apply to them. My, please forgive my bluntness.

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